Porque comprar o Tesouro IPCA mais longo sempre
comentada em 29/01/2023 13:08

os titulos q nunca vencem cobram imposto de tempo em tempo ou se vc vender

sim, isso eu nao sei dizer
quando eu postei a resposta pensei exatamente isso

@Huoya nos esclarece ai

sim, eu pensei nisso depois
nos EUA eu sei q tem titulos perpetuos do ONREVOG
mas realmente teria de ver a questao do IR
e se estes titulos tem mesmo liquidez

entao se for isso mesmo eh pior
mas a gente tem de entender como funciona primeiro
se alguem puder ajudar

"When companies and governments need to raise money, they issue bonds. Investors purchase the bonds, essentially making loans to the issuer. In exchange for the loans, the issuer agrees to make interest payments to the bond buyer for a specific time period.

With perpetual bonds, the agreed-upon period over which interest will be paid is “forever", as perpetual bonds live up to their name and pay interest in perpetuity. In this respect, perpetual bonds function much like dividend-paying stocks or certain preferred securities. Just as the owner of the stock receives a dividend payment as long as the stock is held, the perpetual bond owner receives an interest payment as long as the bond is held.

History and Future of Perpetual Bonds

Perpetual bonds have a long history. The British government is often credited with creating the first one way back in the 18th century. While they are not anywhere near as popular as the more familiar Treasury bonds and municipal bonds, perpetual bonds continue to be issued today.

An argument can be made that issuing perpetual bonds would be an attractive proposition for indebted global governments. To fiscal conservatives, the idea of issuing any debt doesn't sound good, and debt that never ends would be positively unfathomable, but perpetual bonds have a certain appeal during troubled times.

The Appeal

At its most basic, issuing perpetual bonds would permit a fiscally challenged government to raise money without ever needing to pay it back. Several factors support this approach. The first is that interest rates are extraordinarily low for longer-term debt. The second is that once inflation is factored into the equation, investors are actually losing money on the loans they make to the government.


For example, when the interest rate the investors receive is 0.5% and inflation is at 1%, the result is an inflation adjusted interest rate of return for the investors of -0.5%. In dollars and cents, this means that when investors get their money back from the government, its buying power will be diminished.


Think of it like this: the investor loaned the government $100, and one year later, the investment's value is $100.50 courtesy of the 0.5% interest rate. But because inflation is running at 1%, it now takes $101 to purchase the same basket of goods that cost just $100 one year ago. Unfortunately, the investors have only $100.50. The rate of return on their investment failed to keep pace with rising inflation.

Since over time inflation is expected to increase, lending out money today at a hypothetical 4% interest rate will seem like a bargain to government bean counters in the future when inflation hits 5%. Of course, most perpetual bonds are issued with call provisions that permit the issuer to make repayment after a designated period has passed. So the “perpetual” part of the package is often by choice, rather than by mandate, and can be eliminated should the issuer have the cash on hand to repay the loan.

Benefits for Perpetual Bond Investors

Perpetual bonds are of interest to investors because they offer steady, predictable sources of income. The payments take place on a set schedule, and some even come with a “step up” feature that increases the interest payment at a predetermined point in the future. In technical terms, this is referred to as a “growing perpetuity.” 

For example, a perpetual bond may increase its yield by 1% at the end of 10 years. Similarly, it may offer periodic interest rate increases. Paying close attention to any step-up provisions is an important part of comparison shopping for investors looking for perpetual bonds. A growing perpetuity can be good for your pocketbook.


Risks for Perpetual Bond Investors

A variety of risks are associated with perpetual bonds. Perhaps the most notable is that a perpetual period is a long time to carry on credit risk. As time passes, bond issuers, including both governments and corporations, can get into financial trouble and even fail.

Perpetual bonds may also be subject to call risk, which means that the issuer can recall them.

Another significant risk associated with time is that general interest rates may rise as the years pass. If rates rise significantly, the interest rate paid by a perpetual bond may be much lower than the prevailing interest rate, meaning investors could earn more money by holding a different bond. In such a scenario, the perpetual bond would need to be sold on the open market, at which time it may be worth less than the purchase price as investors discount their offers based on the interest rate differential."

Perpetual Bonds: An Overview

Pelo pouco que sei de renda fixa nos Estados Unidos, acredito que precisamos ter estrategias distintas daqui.

No EUA não tem títulos como IPCA + taxa fixa, no máximo um TIP  que apenas acompanha a inflação. Como a maioria dos títulos possuem taxa fixa, os ativos de mais longo prazo no EUA são considerados de maiores riscos, ainda mais em um momento de taxas baixas como agora. 

O comum é comprar títulos de curto e médio prazo utilizando a estratégia da escada, na qual adquire-se títulos de vencimento um depois do outro e assim que um vence você compra um título do vencimento seguinte.

Acho que o melhor no EUA é essa estratégia da escada e aqui no Brasil comprar o IPCA mais longo 

1) Tende a ficar menor
2) Não

@fernandomineiro

vai comprar um imovel?

sabe quando

prazo normal

usa selic ou IPCA q vença proximo

nao sabe quando ou prazo maior do q 10 amos

acumula patrimonio normalmente e na hora vc ve

o fato eh q RF nem investimento é
seja la onde for

so serve mesmo para

1 - RE
2 - investimento com prazo
3 - Nos proteger da nossa burrice

e nisso ela é muito importante
mas nao é propriamente investimento ate mesmo pq nao produz nada

o dinheiro eh seu
nao precisa vencer para usar
vc usa quando quiser
ai quando vence eh aquele dinheirao de uma vez q vc tem de reaplicar
e perde na troca
ou vai usar todo de uma vez em um dia

acho q vc ainda nao entendeu direito o q eh acumular patrimonio e buscar a tranquilidade financeira

recomendo ler o Filosofia com atençao

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